tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post1681070197260963754..comments2023-11-13T16:30:40.096+13:00Comments on Editing the Herald: "Can a man milk his new born son milk from his tit? No he can not."Jameshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12661495023149576052noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-70675022711025430922009-09-06T20:16:47.345+12:002009-09-06T20:16:47.345+12:00That's a big assumption of someone, gazzaj. Bu...That's a big assumption of someone, gazzaj. But given your record on hyperbole, I'll let it slide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-2817590016252005092009-09-06T13:20:00.360+12:002009-09-06T13:20:00.360+12:00Yeah, we're clearly not going to reach any agr...Yeah, we're clearly not going to reach any agreement.<br /><br />I guess the difference is that I was raised to believe that homosexuality is biologically natural, while you were probably taught that it's morally degenerate.<br /><br />As soon as Gen X is running things the law will be changed and we'll wonder what all the fuss was about. I reckon most kids today would be surprised to learn that sodomy was still illegal 25 years ago.gazzajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16269126625443588798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-92189664191764177442009-09-06T09:26:45.269+12:002009-09-06T09:26:45.269+12:00Yes gazzaj, you can throw all the scenarios and ri...Yes gazzaj, you can throw all the scenarios and ridiculous examples of Swedish-style eugenics you want. <br /><br />I've made my position clear and none of your trivilisations will disguise the fact that the interests of the child are far more important than a social vanity project. <br /><br />On a case by case basis, the vast majority of children would not be served by being adopted by gay people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-22475589245732558752009-09-05T16:48:55.445+12:002009-09-05T16:48:55.445+12:00So let's get this straight:
1) Children with ...So let's get this straight:<br /><br />1) Children with gay adopted parents might get teased at school<br /><br />2) Therefore, no gay couples should ever be allowed to adopt children<br /><br />Surely you can see how tenuous that is? To labour the point - and yeah, it's ridiculous, but the same argument - ginger kids get bullied, but we don't sterilise people who carry the gene.<br /><br />Try this then: a kid's parents die. There's a choice - do they go to live with their gay aunt and her partner, or with a straight couple who are complete strangers?gazzajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16269126625443588798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-63802454222918479472009-09-05T14:03:07.965+12:002009-09-05T14:03:07.965+12:00'does that mean that kids will be bullied abou...'does that mean that kids will be bullied about their supposed sexuality regardless of their parents sexual orientation?'<br /><br />that's an interesting point but it's not really an argument. you don't reduce bullying by giving the bully more ammunition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-82621528490470214762009-09-04T21:20:28.708+12:002009-09-04T21:20:28.708+12:00Kia ora Anon et al.,
You say that some of your ma...Kia ora Anon et al.,<br /><br />You say that some of your mates were bullied for their supposed sexuality. That's horrible. If they weren't brought up by gay parents, does that mean that kids will be bullied about their supposed sexuality regardless of their parents sexual orientation?<br /><br />Isn't that more of an issue about what the perceived gender rolls of the 'mainstream culture' are?<br /><br />I also disagree that culture is a less powerful issue than sexual orientation for children.<br /> <br /><br />Much of the debate around gay couples adopting children, talk as though these are the only role models that these children will have, their entire life. However, i assume, we all know that it takes a whole community to grow a well integrated child. The outcome of adopting children into families of completely different backgrounds might increase acceptance of differences in peoples in AO/NZ.<br /><br />Love.Tanifaaarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-10441570732066802632009-09-04T12:49:20.340+12:002009-09-04T12:49:20.340+12:00Disparaging Jew references were not exclusive to N...Disparaging Jew references were not exclusive to Nazis, so it’s still a non-GodwinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-24679926971771147302009-09-03T19:33:18.230+12:002009-09-03T19:33:18.230+12:00Well you got a mock disparaging Jew reference in t...Well you got a mock disparaging Jew reference in there so it's a half-Godwin.<br /><br />"how is that any different to a gay couple adopting a straight child, or vice versa?"<br /><br />Because sexuality is a far more powerful issue for children, gazzaj. <br /><br />Imagine what the child would go through at school. Can't? Let me make it clear: Ha you're adopted and your two dads butt fuck each other. Which also makes you a lezza / gaybo. <br /><br />Children pick up on the weaknesses and exploit them. Simple as.<br /><br />Would this be healthy for the adopted child's state of mind? I very much doubt that it would. <br /><br />A couple of my school mates were bullied for their supposed sexuality and, irrespective of their actual preferences, it made their school days a living hell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-35459775198411349152009-09-01T17:56:22.733+12:002009-09-01T17:56:22.733+12:00can I invoke Godwin's law for this sort of rid...<i>can I invoke Godwin's law for this sort of ridiculous comparison?</i><br /><br />Nope, because Godwin's law applies to Nazi references.<br /><br />Re my other tongue-in-cheek points, yep CYFS do discriminate on religious and medical grounds. Which are both fair enough, as you say. I imagine if the child is old enough and the adopters are relatives, being deaf or a different religion wouldn't matter so much.<br /><br />But the racial discrimination point is perfectly valid - if you think it's ok for a white couple to adopt a Maori child, or vice versa, how is that any different to a gay couple adopting a straight child, or vice versa?gazzajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16269126625443588798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-58671719759953629482009-08-28T09:00:02.513+12:002009-08-28T09:00:02.513+12:00I find it very interesting indeed that I've wr...I find it very interesting indeed that I've written quite a few responses in that YV thread since my original earlier in the week...yet they haven't got through. Intriguingly enough, it's still stuffed with bigoted rhetoric, and the odd lone voice in the darkness.A Nonny Moosehttp://www.environmentaltalk.com/wp-content/uploads/happy_moose.jpgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-41330062301264803362009-08-27T17:36:50.400+12:002009-08-27T17:36:50.400+12:00Yes well, the problem is not so much the few "...Yes well, the problem is not so much the few "spare" children up for adoption, there are other areas. Like - I have a brother who has two small children. Were anything to happen to him and his wife, I as a lesbian in a Civil Union with my partner of 23 years, could not adopt those children. They would have to be adopted outside the family, unless there was some more distant relative who could adopt them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-65170003182176790372009-08-27T12:37:51.745+12:002009-08-27T12:37:51.745+12:00"and your proctologist."
Indeed, clever..."and your proctologist."<br /><br />Indeed, clever. I'm sure there's a few red blooded bigots who secretly wouldn't mind the idea of a lesbian as a gynocologist...A Nonny Moosehttp://www.environmentaltalk.com/wp-content/uploads/happy_moose.jpgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-63432427101749793612009-08-27T11:04:57.174+12:002009-08-27T11:04:57.174+12:00"...and your proctologist".
Thanks for ..."...and your proctologist".<br /><br />Thanks for the laugh, but there is now coffee on my keyboard and running out of my nose. I hope you're happy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-18222216880667136992009-08-27T10:27:27.624+12:002009-08-27T10:27:27.624+12:00So black people in the US in the '50's sho...So black people in the US in the '50's shouldn't have been allowed to adopt white kids, right? I mean, they kept to themselves, even had their own schools and sat with their own kind at the back of buses.<br /><br />Jews, too, always going to their temples, marrying their own kind, they shouldn't be allowed to adopt normal christian kids either.<br /><br />The deaf keep to themselves... so much so they even have their own secret language! Can't let them adopt either.<br /><br />I hate to break this to ya, but a good proportion of the normal people you meet every day are actually gay. Including your kids' teachers, and your proctologist.gazzajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16269126625443588798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-80429741676079642492009-08-27T09:36:36.239+12:002009-08-27T09:36:36.239+12:00"in social situations you will be treated dif..."in social situations you will be treated differently and in some instances you won't even be allowed to attend."<br /><br />You're probably not invited to parties because people don't like you. Maybe you're boring. Or annoying. Or a bigot. <br /><br />I highly doubt the lack of party invitations is because you're heterosexual.Boganettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07253374355820020132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-33084587939728789672009-08-27T09:08:35.195+12:002009-08-27T09:08:35.195+12:00Hey look, we've started our own your viewsHey look, we've started our own your viewsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-48847340209697493532009-08-27T00:28:13.540+12:002009-08-27T00:28:13.540+12:00this is not about what is best for the gay couple....this is not about what is best for the gay couple. it is about what is best for the child.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-39565064681662072732009-08-27T00:27:32.469+12:002009-08-27T00:27:32.469+12:00'you tend to circle the wagons a little.'
...'you tend to circle the wagons a little.'<br /><br />which is a very good argument for not letting homosexual couples adopt. thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-1280257774042370962009-08-26T23:57:19.919+12:002009-08-26T23:57:19.919+12:00I know a lot of it was pre christian, so there may...I know a lot of it was pre christian, so there may be a counter argument there, but have all these people forgotten about the Romans - those dirty buggers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-71450856081205591632009-08-26T17:56:19.116+12:002009-08-26T17:56:19.116+12:00The only gay-only events I'd be excluded from ...The only gay-only events I'd be excluded from - and none spring to mind - would be ones I wouldn't have any reason to go to, not being gay.<br /><br />Excluding gay people from something they DO want to do - like adoption - that has nothing to do with their "lifestyle" - is *completely* different.<br /><br />And I don't get the "being treated differently by homosexuals" thing at all... this might be surprising but if you stop treating people as if they're "different" you'll get the same courtesy back.gazzajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16269126625443588798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-6657236270555905412009-08-26T16:55:16.973+12:002009-08-26T16:55:16.973+12:00"why is that such a problem the other way rou..."why is that such a problem the other way round?"<br /><br />Oh Jesus H Keerist, I'm so tired of the "Victimised white man/hetero/christian/leading power" reverse -ism rhetoric BS. They exclude YOU (asshat leading power) because they're sick of being treated like less than human. Now you're crying victimisation because you see their protectionism as exclusion? When you've been treated like crap for generations, you tend to circle the wagons a little. <br /><br />White Man Chrstian Hetero is not the minority in this world, so you can't possibly conceive of what it's like to be opressed.A Nonny Moosehttp://www.environmentaltalk.com/wp-content/uploads/happy_moose.jpgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-16889450488252751702009-08-26T16:52:39.361+12:002009-08-26T16:52:39.361+12:00From what kinds of social situations are people ba...From what kinds of social situations are people barred due to their sexuality?apnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-2227018977722757242009-08-26T16:51:50.850+12:002009-08-26T16:51:50.850+12:00"why is that such a problem the other way rou..."why is that such a problem the other way round?"<br /><br />Because there's actually a difference between not getting invitations to parties and not getting equal treatment under the law of the land? Just maybe?Samuelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12633616551506978330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-22914089169069593732009-08-26T15:15:24.489+12:002009-08-26T15:15:24.489+12:00I assume that's what Anon was talking about, o...I assume that's what Anon was talking about, other Anon... cos I sure don't know of any gay people who "largely operate outside of mainstream society"!<br /><br />Unless the gay people I've met at work, school, uni, etc etc are only *pretend* gays and all the real ones are living a secret, closed underground life...<br /><br />In other 1950's stereotyping news, women should not be allowed to operate heavy machinery.gazzajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16269126625443588798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9139464357237074361.post-74835032019782789942009-08-26T14:36:54.222+12:002009-08-26T14:36:54.222+12:00"forcing a child to live in a closed, exclusi..."forcing a child to live in a closed, exclusive minority group which - out of choice - largely operates outside of mainstream society, is not what is best for that child.<br /><br />and i'm talking lifestyles here, not sexuality."<br /><br />So we should remove children from church groups such as the Exclusive Brethren, then? Is that what you're saying, other anonymous?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com